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<title>RNZ: Te Ahi Kaa</title>
<link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa</link>
<description>The philosophy of Te Ahi Kaa is to reflect the diversity of Māori in the past, present and future. While bilingual in delivery, the programme incorporates Māori practices and values in its content, format and presentation.</description>
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  <title>Hei Waha - Part three of Ikaroa Rawhiti debate panel discussion</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Adrian Wagner, Thomas Curtis and Dr Maria Bargh discuss the candidates' performances during the Hei Waha debate.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:50:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <title>Hei Waha - Part two of Ikaroa Rawhiti debate</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Audience members put a few questions to the candidates.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:31:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2558909/hei-waha-part-two-of-ikaroa-rawhiti-debate</link>
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  <title>Hei Waha - Part one of Ikaroa Rawhiti debate</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Co-ordinator of the debate David Jones questions the candidates about key issues affecting Maori.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:16:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2558908/hei-waha-part-one-of-ikaroa-rawhiti-debate</link>
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  <title>Ikaroa Rawhiti candidates - Introductions</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Na Raihania (Maori Party); Te Hamua Nikora (Mana Party); Meka Whaitiri (Labour Party), and; Marama Davidson (Green Party) - explain their iwi and hapu affiliations.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:08:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <title>Whakatauki for 16 June 2013</title>
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    <![CDATA[Ka hinga atu he tetekura. Ka hara mai he tetekura. As one fern frond dies, one is born to take its place.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <title>Te Ahi Kaa for 9 June 2013</title>
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    <![CDATA[In the early hours of 3 June 2013 Maraea Rakuraku joined a contingent of buses, vans and cars travelling en masse to Wellington to mark the signing of the Deed of Settlement between the Crown and Tuhoe. Maraea provides a fly-on-the-wall account of the event, from the controversy about tickets needed to enter some of the day&#39;s events, to interviews with the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Chris Finlayson, Crown negotiator John Wood, and Tuhoe negotiator Taamati Kruger.

Programme features: Jazayah Kaafi, Tayla Kaafi, Piroi Bassett- Kora, Nevada Teinakore, Timi Tuwairua, Lea Te Pou, Tania Ratu, Torere Te Pou, Te Rawhakatau Tekaumarauwhenua, Patrick Teepa, Ryan Te Wara, Helen Te Wara, Izzy Clayter, Rangitunoa Black, Apihai Taane Rakuraku, Martin Rakuraku, Taamati Kruger, John Wood, Chris Finlayson, Paki Nikora,&nbsp;&nbsp;
Waiata featured: E kui kumara performed by Whirimako Black from Hinepukohurangi: Shrouded in the Mist (2001); Waiata performed by Waimana School and Ruatoki and recorded 040613, Wellington.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 09 Jun 2013 18:05:00 +1200</pubDate>
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<item>
  <title>Caii-Michelle Gordon</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Ngati Porou and Rongowhakaata singer Caii-Michelle Gordon (formerly Kaye Gordon) talks about her career.
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  </description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:31:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2557082/caii-michelle-gordon</link>
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<item>
  <title>Ian Taylor - Maori Business Leader 2013</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Ian Taylor chats with Maraea Rakuraku about his career that eventually lead to the establishment of his ground breaking graphics and animation company.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:08:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2557086/ian-taylor-maori-business-leader-2013</link>
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<item>
  <title>Whakatauki for 2 June 2013</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Ka pono Ka rere au. I believe I can fly. Explained by Caii-Michelle Gordon no Ngati Porou, Rongawhakaata.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 18:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2557081/whakatauki-for-2-june-2013</link>
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  <title>Ruia Morrison-Davy</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Ruia Morrison-Davy began playing tennis at eight years old. Thirteen years later she was competing at Wimbledon. This June, at 77 years old, she will travel back to Wimbledon as part of a trip organised by the Aotearoa Maori Tennis Association.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 18:44:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2556271/ruia-morrison-davy</link>
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  <title>Dick Garratt - Maori Tennis</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[President of the Aotearoa Maori Tennis Association Dick Garratt talks about the popularity of Maori Tennis over the last century, and the upcoming trip to take Ruia Morrison-Davy back to Wimbledon in June.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 18:26:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2556486/dick-garratt-maori-tennis</link>
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  <title>Hirini Kaa - host of Maori TV show The Prophets</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Hirini Kaa talks to Maraea Rakuraku about some of the religious insights he encountered while filming the series The Prophets, a seven part series currently screening on Maori Television.
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  </description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 18:10:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2556270/hirini-kaa-host-of-maori-tv-show-the-prophets</link>
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<item>
  <title>Whakatuki for 26 May 2013</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[He aha te mea nui o te ao? Maku e kii atu he tangata, he tangata, he tangata. What is the most important thing? It is people, people, people. Explained by Dick Garratt no Tuhoe.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 18:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2556269/whakatuki-for-26-may-2013</link>
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<item>
  <title>Whakatauki for 19 May 2013</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[He aha tetahi o nga mahi o te Kaumatua? Te Awhi. What is one of the roles of Kaumatua? It is to help. Whakatauki explained by Jane Edwards no Ngati Toa Rangatira.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:49:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2555475/whakatauki-for-19-may-2013</link>
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<item>
  <title>Te Puea Morgan</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[As a marae-based Budget Advisor, Te Puea Morgan assists whanau to manage their money which is all part of the services offered at Kokiri Marae, Wellington.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:34:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2555474/te-puea-morgan</link>
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<item>
  <title>Mere Takoko</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Mere Takoko believes physical wellness is the first step towards Tino Rangatiratanga as she explains to Maraea Rakuraku.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:24:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2555473/mere-takoko</link>
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  <title>Kaumatua Olympics</title>
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    <![CDATA[The late Parekura Horomia (1950 - 2013) was expected at this years, Kaumatua Olympic games hosted by Kokiri Marae in Lower Hutt.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 18:08:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2555472/kaumatua-olympics</link>
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  <title>Professor Whatarangi Winiata - 1989 interview</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[From an archival recording of Radio New Zealand National&#39;s Morning Report 1989, Professor Whatarangi Winiata describes why spectrum is a considered a taonga.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 18:52:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2554535/professor-whatarangi-winiata-1989-interview</link>
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  <title>Mavis Mullins - Hautaki Trust</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[As chair of Hautaki Trust, Mavis Mullins discusses the success story of 2degrees mobile to which hautaki have a ten percent stake in, and the importance of 4G allocation for Maori.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 18:40:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2554534/mavis-mullins-hautaki-trust</link>
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  <title>Karaitiana Taiuru</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[IT expert and Chair of the New Zealand Maori Internet Society and Te Huarahi Tika Trustee Karaitiana Taiuru discusses the reasons why the government proposed 30 million ICT fund in lieu of 4G spectrum allocation would not be as beneficial for Maori.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 18:25:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2554533/karaitiana-taiuru</link>
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  <title>Piripi Walker - A 2010 interview with Dale Husband</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Nga Kaiwhakapumau I te reo Maori treasurer Piripi Walker provides an historical account of maori interests in spectrum that stems from the Wai 11 claim lodged in the early 1980s.
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  </description>
  <pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 18:12:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2554531/piripi-walker-a-2010-interview-with-dale-husband</link>
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  <title>Simon Woods on NZ Music Month 2013</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[The month of May is all about the promotion of home grown music as NZ music commission officer Simon Woods explains.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:35:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2553855/simon-woods-on-nz-music-month-2013</link>
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  <title>Wiremu Kaa on Growing up with Uncle Parekura</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Politics, whanau and rugby is how Wiremu Kaa describes the busy schedule of Uncle Parekura. He recalls whanau memories growing up in Tolaga Bay.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:29:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2553858/wiremu-kaa-on-growing-up-with-uncle-parekura</link>
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  <title>Dick Garratt - Maori Tennis</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[President of the Aotearoa Maori Tennis Association Dick Garratt talks about the popularity of Maori Tennis over the last century, and the upcoming trip to take Ruia Morrison-Davy back to Wimbledon in June.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:26:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2556273/dick-garratt-maori-tennis</link>
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  <title>Rosemary Rangitauira on day two of the tangi of Parekura Horomi</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Te Manu Korihi reporter Rosemary Rangiatauira talks about the sense of manaakitanga felt at the Marae during her stay covering the tangi.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:10:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2553857/rosemary-rangitauira-on-day-two-of-the-tangi-of-parekura-horomi</link>
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  <title>Parekura Horomia - Archival Korero</title>
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    <![CDATA[Ngati Porou and Ikaroa Rawhiti Labour MP Parekura Horomia died this week on April 29th, hundreds paid their respects as he lay at Hauiti marae, Mangatuna, Tolaga Bay. His reputation preceded him for his ability to connect with people from all walks of life. Archival recordings feature in the show from his new appointment as Minister of Maori Affairs in 2000 to an interview he had with Justine Murray at the 2011 Kohanga Reo protest.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:07:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2553854/parekura-horomia-archival-korero</link>
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  <title>Whakatauki for 5 May 2013</title>
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    <![CDATA[Ko taku tokotoko, Ko te Kohanga Reo. My walking stick is Kohanga Reo. Explained by Parekura Horomia (recorded in 2011).
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2553856/whakatauki-for-5-may-2013</link>
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  <title>Whakatauki for 12 May 2013</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Mō tātou, ā, mō kā uri ā muri ake nei.For us and our children after us. Explained by Karaitiana Taiuru no Kai Tahu/Ngati Kahungunu.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2013 18:06:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2554530/whakatauki-for-12-may-2013</link>
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  <title>Major Eugene Whakahoehoe</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Major Eugene Whakahoehoe no Tainui returned last September from a six month deployment in Kabul, Afghanistan. He talks about balancing wha-nau life with his duty in the military.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:40:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <link>http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/teahikaa/audio/2553445/major-eugene-whakahoehoe</link>
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  <title>William Tume (world war one veteran) recorded 1987</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[William Tume enlisted in Inglewood in 1915 as part of the drafting for the First World War before heading to Auckland for infantry training. In an archival interview with journalist Jane Tolerton he reminisces about that time.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:35:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <title>28th Maori Battalion Association wind up hui</title>
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    <![CDATA[In our Anzac special Te Ahi Kaa presents highlights from the closing ceremony of the 28th Ma-ori Battalion Association held at Pipitea marae, Wellington last December featuring, Governor General Jerry Mateparae, Leith Comer, Matt Te Pou and veterans Alfred Preece, Aubrey Balzar and Nolan Raihania.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:05:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <title>Waitiahoaho Emery on being Indian Maori</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Waitiahoaho Emery explains to Justine Murray the personal significance attending the first National gathering of Maori Indian in 2012 held for her.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:54:00 +1200</pubDate>
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  <title>Charles Royal foraging</title>
  <description>
    <![CDATA[Justine Murray accompanies Chef Charles Royal into Matawhaura forest, Rotoiti on a Rongoa Maori expedition.
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  <pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:40:00 +1200</pubDate>
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