The Panel with Rob Salmond and Mike Williams (Part 1)

Topics - The trust that runs the kohanga reo network is refusing to identify which of its board members got a $50,000 off-the-books koha payment. The refusal puts Education Minister Hekia Parata in a difficult position - her officials have said the person should be identified. Police are stepping up firearms training and trialling stronger pepper spray after a near-trebling of serious violence cases against officers. This follows the announcement of firearms and Taser training for an extra 700 police in February.