First Up - The Podcast, Thursday 1 June

On today's First Up pod - Perlina Lau hosting today: police minister Ginny Anderson talks crime, police numbers and fog cannons; we're at Government House as the pilots who waded through falling ash to reach casualties in the aftermath of the Whakaari White Island explosion receive NZ Bravery Awards for risking their own lives and a young man who wants to take on the system that failed him and his whanau. First Up - Voice of the Nathan!